The observed phenomenon from which water flows have been observed were seen over that entire period. No, Earth isn’t the only planet with weather. So what? Skeptical Science is a user forum wherein the science of climate change can be discussed from the standpoint of the science itself. Suggesting that one can warm up the long term climate of a planet with a change in solar wind is like suggesting that one can heat up a tea kettle by throwing hot stones at it. Say what you think rather than declaring what you think other people think. According to NASA, the Themis spacecraft have "... made three important discoveries about spectacular eruptions of Northern Lights called "substorms" and the source of their power" (emphasis added). The argument that other planets are warming is one of the most ridiculous ever spewed by fake skeptics. This bubble shields Earth from much of the interstellar wind, so a change in the wind’s direction will have little effect here on the ground.". That in turn is an overestimate of the forcing as approximately only 10% of energy transfered to the thermosphere (let alone the ionosphere) makes it to the lower atmosphere, the rest being radiated to space. Please take the time to review the Comments Policy and ensure future comments are in full compliance with it. http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2007/11dec_themis/. The connection you form is of the nature of a leap of faith. Why are not all planets and moons showing warming? And using keywords a backlink can higher attract more. Energy you seem to think just magically adds nothing to the system. Averaged over the Earth's surface and the time interval involved, that represents 0.00035 W/m^2. Human beings are altering one of our planet's natural temperature regulators - the 'greenhouse effect'. Together, these act like a greenhouse, trapping heat and warming the planet. However, you're assuming that the Earth has in fact reached the equilibrial state for the amount of increased activity from the Solar Grand Maximum (Modern Maximum), likewise assuming that the equiibrial state would be met almost instantly (in the larger picture of time). Remember the phrase “There's always one” and with scientists that is certainly the case.) The solar wind did not spring into existence yesterday. But that is not what has been happening. I also have another source, please check it out: https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24153-solar-system-caught-in-an-interstellar-tempest/ highlights: "The solar system is travelling through much stormier skies than we thought, and might even be about to pop out of the huge gas cloud we have been gliding through for at least 45,000 years. (Ian McClintock). This is a round-up of the planets said by sceptics to be experiencing climate change: Claims that solar system bodies are heating up due to increased solar activity are clearly wrong. Let's just hope that the supposed Galactic Rubber Band is not slingshotting our whole solar system right into the Black Hole! The Sun's energy heats the Earth's surface and the planet radiates energy at different wavelengths back into space. But it’s by far got the best. Now scientists are telling us that Mars is experiencing its own planetary warming: Martian warming. Also, if the cosmic dust cloud we're traveling through were to get any thicker, even by a small fraction, would that not also "trap" the sun's heat increasing the temperature of our solar system? For instance, the reason given for solar activity not causing global warming is that solar activity has retreated ever so slightly (while still being at an atypically much higher rate over an extended period of time). It's reasonable to hypothesize that galactic weather could have a much greater effect on the solar system, as a whole, during certain galactic weather events. On the unsubstantive diatribe with which he begins, Phillipe Chantreau @37 raises the relevant question. So predictive power is out for sure. Credit: NASA; University of Houston Scientists sometimes think of a planet's atmosphere as an engine. "Climate Warming," now re-fashioned into, "Climate Change," seems to be very little based on science and much more related to your political philosophy nowdays. That doesn't mean it met its equilirial temperature for that heightened state of solar activity. It would surely explain the supposed temperature increases on other celestial objects (while understanding that some objects could still cool to lower temperatures simply because of its phase in its lifecycle). the entire system by that time has moved on. Wow! I heartilly recommend to as many people as possible that they do do the hard yards to become genuine scientists. The temperature of the brisket will have continued to rise! I am straining how you can give the appearance of being rational and acknowledge your superficial understanding of a scientific subject matter while at the same throwing out an opinion that dismisses an entire body of knowledge as, also, mere opinion. Consequently the situation is that water was found by the first observing platform that was capable of doing so. By Jove! It is also very new science (as written it had yet to pass peer review and I see no sign of publication today) so should not be accepted from what is just one 'paper in submission'. There is a right answer. On Earth, things differ because increased temperatures increase absolute humidity, and hence the energy supply for storms - but that mechanism is not available on Venus. I never really thought about climate change from a solar system point of view. A new storm and a new red spot on Jupiter hints at climate change, USA TODAY and dozens of other sources explained yesterday. Thanks for your understanding and compliance in this matter. Heating attributed to other solar bodies remains unproven. We can measure the various activities of the sun pretty accurately from here on Earth, or from orbit above it, so it is hard to ignore the discrepancy between the facts and the sceptical argument that the sun is causing the rise in temperatures. He reasoned that this turbulence is caused by an external injection of energy into the planets’ atmospheres: to wit, an interstellar energy cloud which the leading edge of the Solar System has now entered. Page 2 of 3 - Climate Change on other planets - posted in General Observing and Astronomy: No one denies climate change. But let's skip your analogy and use the real Earth. In response to comment no.29, user MagickWizard, who totally nailed it, I will complement your question and give some NASA evidence, in order to get the skeptics think more profoundly about this subject and conect some dots. However, these atmospheric gases trap some of the outgoing energy, and it is retained as heat. One going with logic should assume that the likelihood of a phenomenon only recently observed to have sarted happening just when we became able to observe it is extremely low. So those who claim to follow science are going to contiinue to ignore that during the same time frame that the earth became warmer - the Winds of venus increased - over the entire timeframe that the mission proceeded. You make no logical case at all against that idea, you don't even try and just hand wave. However, it is not a good example of what will happen to Earth due to human activities. The later, at least, is true. Long as the text called anchor from a wide What Climate Change Is Happening To Other Planets In The. That is what would be required to establish a baseline, if we had instruments capable of reliably measuring enough climate parameters. The source of the heat is not a mystery - it's just ignored in conversations is all. I approach all of this in fairly broad strokes. Read my reply to you again. Thank you. Earth isn’t the only planet grappling with climate change, although this other orb doesn’t have much in the way of fossil fuel emissions or a 97 percent … Dear LarianLeQuella,  you stated "I suggest that people who think that the sun is responsible, and cite warming on other planets become familiar with the Inverse Square Law. Every single atmosphereic scientist in the world was stunned by what they found, yet you discount this newly discovered source of energy as unimportat????? That Mars warmed up during this same time frame so that we can now oberve the effects of liquid water on its surface? That’s equivalent to observing the Earth’s weather for just three weeks out of the year. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/whycassini/cassini20110420.html. Can climate change lead us to life on other planets? The temperatures are expected to change by as much as 10 Fahrenheit degrees at different places of the globe. If instead the brisket has reached the equilibrium temperature of 350 before you lower the oven's temperature to 325, then the brisket will start to cool down from 350. [DB] Off-topic snipped. All the outer planets have vastly longer orbital periods than Earth, so any climate change on them may be seasonal. To infer from that that Mars global temperatures are increasing follows the same logic of an explorer who, on first discovering the Mississipi concluded it was evidence of an imminent Noachian flood. Since the fossil-fuel CO2 in the atmosphere does (scientifically) nicely explain the recent 1 degree temperature rise . To any respondents, please likewise follow those guidelines before discussion goes west and I have to start deleting comments. Sunlight at Pluto is 900 times weaker than it is at the Earth. If human-induced climate change continues unchecked, 10 percent of the U.S. economy could evaporate by 2100, a 1,656-page federal report the … Models are not irrefutable science. Other parts of the article that Jacksan did not feel like quoting: "“If you took a handful of the air we breathe on Earth and stretched it out to the nearest star, it would have the same density as this cloud,” says Priscilla Frisch of the University of Chicago. But that extra energy is distributed among all the components of "the Earth," which takes time. Right now we can only detect earth's solar connection. As a matter of fact a better case could be made that the CO2 has kept this planet from reaching the highs of past warming events. Be sure to read the Basic tabbed pane, then the Intermediate one, then the Advanced one. For example, take the amount of energy from a star that would be required to heat up a giant gas planet, orbting far from the star, in a way that can be noticed from another planet closer to the star. And even these Science people here act almost as Ignorant asking a in the form of statements, about life besides thiss Petri Just like the temperature of the brisket doesn't instantly jump to 350 degrees just because the oven around it did, neither does the Earth when irradiated by the Sun. (1997, December 18). Methinks this all doesn't add up... (This is my first post ever in this forum so please, bear with me if I break some cardinal rule. [TD] Your comment is way off topic. Please stay on the topic of this thread, Other planets are warming. Frankly, I am no impressed. You desire that all planets be warming, so you infer from any change (or entirely new observation) that it is evidence of that warming with no effort to tie the two phenomenon together. (. Assuming the Earth initially was in thermal equilibrium (same energy coming in as going out to space), an increase in the energy coming in from the Sun will cause energy immediately to start accumulating in the Earth (by which I mean the atmosphere, surface land, surface water, deep oceans--the whole shebang). The existing atmosphere is so thin that it cannot retain energy from the Sun. This argument is part of a greater one that other planets are warming. ), yet, some of you would have the world accept AGW as solid science and irrefutable. 2000 years of fake Gods, and Brainwashing. It quotes only three scientists (It is not always the wisest thing to rely on very small numbers of scientists. University Of Toronto. IBEX has been directly sampling neutral helium atoms from the interstellar cloud as part of its mission to map the boundary between the solar system and the rest of the galaxy. Hi there. Then there is the minor difficulty: umpteen thousand professional and amateur astronomers (as well as a few billion non-astronomer humans) have not detected any significant displacement of Earth relative to the stars visible at nighttime, during the past century or so. It appears to be about galactic cosmic rays (GCRs). Always guessing, always adjusting, always trying to save face for ones' ego. It therefore cannot be the basis of recent changes in Earth's climate by itself. Because of course you refuse to accept 99% of the data. - (source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lawrence-e-joseph/passing-into-the-energy-c_b_405086.html ). But simultaneously, as the Earth's temperature increases, the Earth emits more energy to space. We are constantly moving into areas of space we have never inhabited before. The first is gamma-ray emissions from the centre of our galaxy. In particular, comments must be ontopic and please note the ban on sloganeering - repeating long refuted myths without any substatiated debate. You talk about internal heat sources of planets while at the same time ignoring that the Heat from Saturn's north pole was 10 times more than predicted. They have not made the discovery of substorms themselves, which are well known, and the energy of which are already accounted for in the 889,000 x 10^14 Joules from 1997-2010 (0.00035 W/m^2) discusses by Tenfjord and Ostgaard (and @34 above). Yes, the Solar System is not in a fixed space! And this one even existed when the word global warming was even invented. Human beings are altering one of our planet's natural temperature regulators - the 'greenhouse effect'. Tom Dayton, First I'll acknowledge that this is a simplistic analogy. "It was very large, about as wide as Earth, and located approximately 40,000 miles above Earth's surface in a region called the magnetopause." is an "explanation" which is trying to push a megaton of sewage uphill with a pointed stick (of toothpick size). [DB] This thread is about other planets' warming, or not. 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Seriously??? The lag is not nearly as long as the time in which the Sun's radiance has been flat. Close Climate change is making baby sharks, like this epaulette shark (Hemiscyllium ocellatum), smaller, undernourished and exhausted, a … If all the land ice on Earth melted, it would raise sea level around 260 feet (80 meters), so understanding how the Greenland and Antarctic ice sheets are changing is important to predicting future sea level. ScientiFix Can bacteria ‘migrate’ to other planets & survive? However, I think that it is crucial to taken into account the atmospheric conditions as well as the orbital eccentricity of each respective planet as these can vary greatly so we cannot use these planets as exact analogues for Earth to explain our temperatures. "We believe that solar wind particles flow in along these ropes, providing energy for geomagnetic storms and auroras.... ..."THEMIS encountered its first magnetic rope on May 20, 2007," says Sibeck. Something is clearly wrong in the "skeptic" camp. Falsified every textbook you had on the subject - so of course it is unimportant to you, you still use them. Angelopoulos estimates the total energy of the two-hour event at five hundred thousand billion (5 x 1014) Joules. Don't expect people to spoon feed you the info. There are therefore extreme temperature contrasts between day and night, or sun and shade. Global temperatures have increased more than half a degree in the last century as a result. . Select serious sources. The shame you do to science. That's how it works. Note, further that this energy is not new energy. If you discover something just because you started looking, that thing was probably happening all along. There is no doubt that human industry, war, nuclear testing, pollution, deforestation, etc. - you think it's ok to dismiss them. What the Energy Cycles of Other Planets Can Tell Us About Climate Change on Earth Written by Megan Gannon Source astrobio.net Scientists sometimes think of a planet’s atmosphere as an engine. and your link is actually mashing four different phenomenon and three separate issues rolled into the one account. The Sun has had a solar wind since its inception, and the Earth a magnetic field as far back as paleomagnatism can be discerned (at least 500 million years, and probably at least 4 billion years). The ‘evidence’ for climate change consists of just two observations made in 1988 and 2002. . Of course, that prediction was not based on considerations of interstellar media. Saturn and its moons take 30 Earth years to orbit the Sun, so three decades of observations equates to only 1 Saturnian year. I agree with what I think was the OP's original assertion that the Sun's weather is, by far, the greatest determinant of weather on the Earth. Whether the result will be ”thousands of rocks and asteriods … raining out of the sky” or a “rampage” of “powerful x-class solar storms and coronal mass ejections”, we are apparently in danger of “great earthquakes, super volcanic eruptions, pole shifts, planet crossers and so forth” and that is despite acknowledging that the peak storms of 2012-13 are now passed. That the Local Bubble lies within 100-200 parsecs (326 to 652 light years)  if the Sun clearly indicates the scales of "local" effects, and precludes any possibility that "the Solar System has begun to pass into" a magnetic field that has in fact been surrounding the solar system for tens of thousands of years. Not to worry, for Jacksan has additional evidence. Over the last fifty years, the sun’s output has decreased slightly: it is radiating less heat. At best, the Venus and Mars articles underline how we can attempt to better understand their climates, emphasizing that we don't understand them well. 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